The learning curve for the younger PAs now is huge because many do not have the patient care experience. After they had left, I knew I would be ready to go soon too, but I was still waiting for my moment. Some of my peers, especially in IT and finance/marketing, are working from home, working less hours than I am working, with a lot less stress and they bring home the same if not more income. I'm so relieved this is how most people apparently feel. I just got a new job at the ICU and worked a few shifts there and I friggen love it so far. Hang in there. The feeling that I made a massive mistake and accrued all this debt in the process is honestly overwhelming me. Theres also all of the sunken cost in quitting. In New York we have no choice but to sell our souls to the doctors and hospitals. No brainer. I cant talk about or hear about medicine outside of work, it drives me insane. It was a chance at a promotion, and I immediately knew I didn't want it. I've perused the thread, and it looks like you've gotten a lot of good advice. They have bigger opportunities for promotions, raises, bonuses, job mobility. I know it's hard to change your life around, but sometimes that is the only way to break out of the funk. One of the biggest differences between physician assistants and doctors is how much education they complete before they can practice. Thank you for this post. WebA curious little book, written against the quackery of Paracelsus, by Leonard Doldius, a Nrnberg physician, and translated into Latin and augmented, by Andreas Libavius, doctor and physician of Rotenburg, alludes to the same story, and gives the Jew a new name nowhere else met with. Both worth a look. JP: Work-life balance is a difficult thing. Only after seeing the patient did she discuss the case with her collaborating physician. I had a rough day today where I legitimately had all of these thoughts and I am up way past my bedtime because of it, but this was so worth the read. As you said, you like your SP and your specialty. Or am i asking for too much as a new grad and should lower my expectations? Doctors are around to fill in the rest. Powered by Invision Community, Welcome to the Physician Assistant Forum! I eagerly listened to all the lectures in PA school and spent my year plus on rotations. 2023 Copyright American Academy of Physician Associates. If the others involved in your care seem afraid to make a mistake, this could be detrimental to you in the long run. I think it's common. Haha I'm glad and at the same time, sad that I'm not alone. To be fair, there are boatloads of unhappy physicians out there as well. At some point when you are doing a job you could have done five years ago, you need a new challenge. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. PA X may in fact be an idiot and so may be PA Y and even PA Z but three PAs does not constitute the entire profession. So while there are great PAs there are PAs that are no better than MAs, just like there are MD/DO who are complete idiots and lazy. They went to school 3x as much as a PA. God forbid, if I needed to run a last minute/surprise errand or take a mental health day. And, they have grits. January 30, 2017 in PA Student General Discussion. I hate being a PA. Time. That's a facetious comment btw. Lots of happy PAs in my neck of the woods. There are a lot of factors involved in PA vs MD, and I'm not here to convince anyone to pursue one or the other. Enjoy the PERSON. In all my years of working in cancer, it has been the only time frame this has happened. Consultant Cardiologist. Again, if you're thinking of PA school Take my advice go to medical school. WebWhy I quit being a physical therapist assistant. Yes, the doctor is more prestigious and should know more. Having a support system made it easy to stay, but I also really loved the work I was doing. The afternoon is then typically spent doing new admissions and consults. I was blown away. She serves as one of this years course directors for the Adult Hospital Medicine Boot Camp, a five-day conference dedicated to hospital medicine practice. This amount of practice not only makes you good at what you do in short order, but it also makes you confident in what you are doing. Maybe you are in a not great area in which you are working, but telling everyone to quit thinking about going to PA school and just go to medical school is wrong and you should be ashamed. As a result, the vast majority of patient care, particularly outside of The old guard doesn't like it, but there it is. Theres never a dull moment in the hospital! Once I decide on something, the switch has flipped, and there's no going back. And you'll realize that you could've spent that time completing a more respected medical degree. I was talking with several doctors recently who I interact with on ocassion. I don't see why people have such a hard time giving credit where credit is due without feeling the need to feel a lack of self worth. Physician assistants prefer 'associate.' Late 20s is very young still. Why wasn't I just living in Texas? I hope some time passes and this comment holds true. In nearly a decade in my job, there had never been a window where almost all of my patients were doing fairly well. Meanwhile, Ive seen my peers in other industries even flourish during the pandemic. Experience. To the OP. I have been a pa since 1996 as well and share some of your frustrations at times. Actually, PAs are not the cause if the problem. I found the one during the spring of my clinical year. Its nice to know Im not the only one with these feelings. Doctoral Degree. This isn't House. Specialty experience is preferred on a position-by-position basis. Im tired of the inflexibility of my schedule. All Rights Reserved. And we all appreciate a nice clean work environment. Powered by Invision Community, Welcome to the Physician Assistant Forum! Anderson Cancer Center in Texas. And this is true! I've though about working a meanial job and paying the bare minimum on my loans. Realize that this is a normal feeling. Still, moving forward feels a heck of a lot better than cursing the darkness and watching the clock tick. However, I cant foresee myself doing this for the rest of my life. In that initial visit, she shared that she thought he had been misdiagnosed. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, medical assistants perform both administrative and clinical duties under the direction of a physician. Jennifer Palermo, MMS, PA-C, is one of nearly 43,000 PAs who practice in hospital medicine. Lots of jobs. You know they've taught apes to sign too? What Its Really Like to be a PA in Hospital Medicine, Major Marc Latta Focuses on Transformation, Cardiology PA Viet Le Helps Pave the Way for More PA Researchers, The Top 3 Reasons You Should Take the Salary Survey, Mental Health is Part of Everyones Health: Psychiatry PA Jessica Tabb Wants to Change the Narrative Around Mental Health Care. Hey fellow new grad! On the physician side, from what I can tell especially those in primary care, there is some sort of fear that they are being overtaken by those they deem unworthy to We love PAs and we love working with them. Hey, new grad here. Even while in school many many moons ago, I had a doc tell me that she wished she had gone PA and several of my senior attendings tell me that the PA students were better prepared and more engaged than the MD students. How do you collaborate with your supervising physician and your co-workers? Most patients and other providers love PAs. It sucks. Dropping the kids off at school, volunteering in their classrooms, and taking them to practices are things that I enjoy. JP: I try to take a standardized approach to evaluating patients. Have any of you seen this before? The ones I am interested in wont hire a new grad. But, still, we want to find that one specialty that calls us the one that feels like home. I answer emails and do paperwork whenever I have a free moment. No carreer is going to be sunshine and roses 100% of the time. I know a lot of nurses that hated nursing and thats the route they went. Why I quit my career as a PTA and went into the field of Digital Marketing. Actually, for the past couple of years, I wanted some new career opportunities. Some of my classmates really hate their spots (mostly hospitalists though). Next, I gather my thoughts and place admitting orders to address all of the patients needs. I used to think that all problems would be solved in my lifetime. But the answer to burnout isnt "exercising", "mindfulness", or "gratitude" (although these things help), it's WORKING LESS, or finding differnt work. But they need look in the mirror and stop checking boxes. I dont know if Im suffering from the grass is greener on the other side. Not saying medicine isn't algorithmic (which worries me actually, btw. Im tired of no admin time. Kept assuring me that I am "one of the smart ones" and a Medical Degree is just "not a financially smart investment [with the way healthcare is heading] in todays world". Our Far Northeast Philadelphia physical therapy center in located on Roosevelt Blvd is looking for a compassionate and driven licensed Physical Therapist to provide exceptional patient care Being a major research facility, the physicians have many other obligations outside of patient care. Urgent care, family, occupational, etc. Collaboration. That's hard for anyone, especially a northern gal deprived of southern food until she was 25, to give up. Hope you can. They claim the whole profession is based on economics meaning businesses care more about their bottom line and in consequence patients get sub-par health care from "midlevels" (I hate that word). Im learning really good medicine, and all of my benefits are much better. This is of course an isolated incident and I know plenty of doctors who respect the PA profession and what it brings to the table in terms of team-based medicine. Does an emed nurse with 20 years of experience know more than a PA with 2 years of experience? Must graduate from an accredited educational program for physician assistants.. None of my classmates seem willing to want to admit this. It just depends on what side of the fence you are on. Switching into a different specialty would not help. That's all the hints & lead that I can provide at the time. I think it may be a fair criticism that we may be trained to approach medicine with some sort of algorithm. There were times I walked by the custodians and floor sweepers and watched in envy the quietness of their work. But like others have said, we get to help people on a daily basis. She decided on PA school and enrolled at Midwestern University in Glendale, Arizona. WebThe role of physician leaders has increased with the growing recognition that our expertise and experience can provide invaluable contributions to healthcare | 148 LinkedIn Again its been hard to come back after work to get back to learning new skills or even do any classes. Not everyone feels joy and satisfaction from medicine. But don't take the rest of the profession to the crapper with you if you can't. I have noticed that some medical students and residents sometimes have animosity towards PAs but I think that will go away as they start practicing more as an attending. 2018 PhysicianAssistantForum.Com. Investigative people tend to be curious, analytical, and scientific. But if you're in a specialty like nephrology that type of thinking really is inadequate. A few years ago, a good friend (and PA colleague) somehow managed to quit and move out of town, on to a new adventure. Something was off. I'm ok with parts of the job but not others. Learn some professionalism; just because it sucks in New York doesn't mean it will suck elsewhere. There are sprinklings of satisfaction, but for most PAs I know, it's a stable decent-paying job that beats being a cubicle drone, but it's not necessarily our "life's calling". I have not experienced as many of the minuses in my short tenure as I have the pluses. The two that remain in the workforce study a lot and ask a lot of questions. The grass is always greener on the other side. Once I have seen all of the patients assigned to me and have written progress notes and placed orders, I then call the physicians to discuss the patients or meet with them, depending on how busy the day is or how complex the patient is. 109. 2)Live as cheap a lifestyle as you can and shovel money toward your debt. It's your opinion, but there are thousands of truly happy physician assistants out there. Save time & gain momentum along your path by getting the kind of everyday support that a future PA needs. sometimes even moving within a state is a big change. People in both roles complete a bachelor's degree in pre-med or a similar field, such as biology, nutrition, public health or biochemistry. They don't know I am now a PA student but we got on the topic of PAs practicing medicine and all hell broke loose. Put it this way: if I gave you a million bucks, are you going to hire 3 docs, or like 6 PAs and a doc or doc and a half to back them up? uscareerinstitute.edu. I never even would interact with doctors and I wasn't learning any good medicine. Yikes. Two other friends/PA colleagues (other out of state singles) left about a year ago as part of an effort to expand the PA role in the UK. Get a bachelor's degree (preferably in science). After you graduate from an accredited PA program, youll be ready to sit for the PANCE (the Physician Assistant National Certifying Exam). Explore, be flexible & you'll be happy you did. Very hard to land a gig like this. Im a big fan of being consistent and thorough when Im interviewing and examining patients. A form of nostalgic sour grapes, if you will. This is the key to the OP's problem. My hospital employs some of the highest numbers of advanced practice providers (PAs and NPs) of any hospital in the country. 14,595 satisfied customers. Not a PA, but an NP, and I feel the same way you do. They each were terrified what would happen after graduation. Was offered a job for an internal medicine inpatient position in a nyc hospital I was a little taken back by this salary, as my brother who is an Family medicine? Enough said. JP: When I started PA school, I didnt know which specialty I wanted to practice. I can see both sides of this discussion. She said the diagnosis did not match the CT images. New grads struggling to find jobs, employed ones getting furloughed/hours cut/pay cut, salaries lagging behind, losing job opportunities to NPs. You're absolutely right. Have you tried looking for pharm sales positions? Is the grass really greener? Medicine is only for people who feel joy and satisfaction from working hard to help people in one way. However, it gets me wondering if a switch would even make me happy. If I am working a day shift, I am assigned to two of the physicians working that day. In the past two months, those I wanted to stay through the end for died, and everyone else stabilized. Staff Physician. It has to be written down! I feel bad that you don't enjoy your jobhowever, I think its unfair of you to tell every young applicant to steer clear of the profession..certain professions are not for everyone, but I am sure there are happy PAs out there Lots of happy PAs in my neck of the woods. It accompanied me on every rotation with maybe another book or two specific to what I was doing. PAs are needed in every field of medicine and are a huge part of a healthcare team in both hospitals and private practices. I like to try to get to know the patient and develop rapport. I usually spend some time after my shift addressing any emails I didnt get to during the day or following up on patient results. I'd be paying them off forever but God, I'd probably be happy! As a result, the vast majority of patient care, particularly outside of clinic visits, is handled by APPs. All Rights Reserved. I chose orthopaedic surgery because of the variety it offers. See our Privacy Policy for more information. It's helped me to know that I picked the right time to go. I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, Hi, I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, not bladder) - I get none of the UTI pain/burning/urgency symptoms, and I family read more. Press J to jump to the feed. Kind of sounds like you are a whine bag. Many docs are employees of someone else. Already have an account? After that, I move on to the next thing on my to do list. "If I could go back in time, I would actually choose a totally different career path; probably as far away from the healthcare field as possible!". The money is pretty good as a PA, but stress and debt make people miserable. Yes it will be a longer path and a harder one, but it will end. Well, regardless of my opinion (which is always correct), the entire landscape is totally different now than it was a generation ago and even further from the generation before that. Looking back now. On the other side - I recently attended a dinner with my CCU team and one of the docs present praised the PA's and NP's for the work we do and recognized that day to day and hour to hour we are the ones running the show and calling the shots in our Unit. People seek medical care because they are sick. Not only that but, they have so many good opportunities to escape bedside medicine. The spectrum of work hours, conditions, level of autonomy, and pay is tremendous; possibly more so than any other direct provider profession. Sent by my Samsung S4 Active via Tapatalk. If I am assigned to an afternoon shift, my work day starts at noon or 2 p.m. We work 12-hour shifts and have six APPs on each day who work at staggered start times in order to provide adequate cover for patient care. 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