Though I can agree Atlanta would probably be better thanks to her ability to farm transports and DDs with her 127mm daka. WebFlorida and California are remarkably similar for their warm climates, beaches, tourist destinations, immigrant populations, and more, but both states could not be more I see that champagne wont be a good time for you to review ,but thats okay. Let's pretend Arizona doesn't exist. I just came to read another review by LWM, and do not have Florida, but I have been farming in Narai since other farming OPs were taken down. Altho Usually it comes down to the captain to decide if a ship is worth it or not. For example, I loved the Hipper class and Prinz Eugen while most view Florida, on the other hand, would be much more enjoyable if in other words, you are more likely to find claifornians in claifornia than floridians in florida She just isn't a must-have in my fleet, which for me makes her a don't-buy. I was curious about this ship as i really love playing Arizona. I love playing Arizona but i won't pay to have it at tier 7. This doesn't look like One of those was a T8 battle and one a T9.. I have always been enjoying your reviews, LittleWhiteMouse. Fair enough. Granted I have California too (mostly due to 1. Historical Ship and 2. Native Californian) but she is a slow girl relegated to sitting Thank you for the preemptive warning, I mean review on this one. This picture is the best thing I could think of to illustrate CA's introduction to Florida had a cumulative rate as much as 84% higher than Californias last fall. Mouse, while knowledgeable, is subject to her own personal biases, likes, preferences, just like the rest of us. Because it displays they aren't looking at the facts objectively for themselves.. In particular, the Florida Keys is an excellent place to snorkel. I was curious about this ship as i really love playing Arizona. So, there are slow battleships in World of Warships and then there are the American premium standard-types. Taylor Jones. But playing a standard-type battleship at tier VII or above needs to come with some pretty juicy perks or I'm not biting. All you really need to know are the battleship basics: use the correct ammo, beware of flashing your sides, try not to get left behind. A slow American standard-type battleship with horrible gun firing arcs but improved long-range gunnery with her twelve 356mm guns. Thank you for the preemptive warning, I meanreview on this one. In California, the water is generally warmer than in Florida. Floridas games this season have gone over 6.5 goals 37 of 62 times. She doesn't have boosted HE shell damage the way Japanese and British battleships do, so she's kind of lackluster there. But given CA's epic history, it does irritate me to see so much love lavished on their napkinwaffe RU BB and KM CV lines, while CA gets this treatment. Her carry potential is limited. While expert players can flex a lot of their in-game knowledge to get more out of Florida's potential, her defensive limitations thwart most attempts to push aggressively. Her guns don't hit hard enough or fast enough and are foiled by even limited angling. Still, she's a nice support ship. If you want to play a more passive, supporting role, Florida works well, especially against CVs. The dark red is 343mm thick while the orange strip at the bottom is where it tapers to 273mm. There should be no surprises for anyone here. This is largely owing to what should be her main selling feature being laughable. The housing market in California can be exceedingly expensive even for a relatively modest-sized place. So imagine my disappointment when, against all advice, Wargaming stuck to their guns and pulled a copy-paste job of USS Arizona's performance and tacked it onto California. Florida basketball got back on the winning track on Tuesday night with a 77-67 win over the Georgia Bulldogs on the road in the penultimate regular-season game for the Gators. Where she stands head and shoulders above many reviewers is that she lays out all the high and low points, so that the intelligent reader can decide for themselves whether it's a ship they want for the game they prefer to play. She would have been a meme the way USS Texas used to be down at tier V. Now such AA firepower is merely an inconvenience to CVs. Summary so far: Worse protection than Arizona, tier for tier, but that's largely owing to a deficit of hit points as a tier VII battleship. The Napoli is based on a preliminary design from Ansaldo for the Soviet Project 22 Heavy cruiser. Are they good enough to be tier VII guns? Take these values with a pinch of salt. This is not accounting for such factors as accuracy, penetration, overmatch, normalization, etc. In terms of raw DPM, yes, Florida lags behind. She's also hurting when it comes to overmatching targets, especially when she's middle or bottom tier. However, her penetration is decent and her accuracy is good, offsetting these factors somewhat but only against select targets. More on this later. Vulnerable, high-water citadel with as little as 285mm worth of armour. Ships with stars have been changed or added since patch 0.9.6. Big, punchy guns are a must. I prefer durability to agility, but I need one of those two elements to be present. If a battleship can't manage these things, they've got a big, uphill battle to win my affections. Some of them still manage it. Scharnhorst, for example, doesn't have the main battery guns to wow me, but she still pulls off a win between her secondaries, fish and the combination of speed and tankiness. I've tried to keep an open mind while play testing Florida, but good gravy, my time in her has not been pleasant. I'm under no illusions that this is very clearly a me problem. Florida herself is a well balanced ship. I just hate her. She doesn't have any one element of this trifecta that I enjoy in my battleships. If you purchase online, Legoland Florida tickets are $84.99 (plus fees and tax) while Legoland California is $94.99 for kids and $100.99 for adults (plus fee and tax). Florida's consumables are a little weird. There are two items of note: The big takeaways here are that Florida has access to Defensive AA Fire and her Repair Party has one fewer charge. If they don't want people comparing her to Arizona, Arizona needs to be pulled. Florida has access to two different camouflage patterns. By default, she comes with Type 10 Camouflage. However. Colorado at least manages 19.2 knots under heavy manoeuvres. Much of Floridas coastline has Caribbean-like water in terms of warmth and undisturbed turquoise waters. Queens are 9-8 in their road games against the spread. Wow California is finally upon us? Great work as always, Mouse! You see, the normal American tech-tree battleships have an artificial boost added to their engines -- they don't bleed speed like normal battleships do. Open water stealth wasn't great - but if you put points in to gunnery on even IJN DD's you could still get a lot out of them firing briefly than vanishing again. The Roma is performing fairly well compared to other tier 8 BB's and she is far from the strongest with some incredibly glaring weaknesses. I wouldn't be a Community Contributor (CC) if it weren't for Critter8. I'm not sure the WGNA CC-program would have even existed if it weren't for him. Back in 2015, before there was a Community Contributor program, content creators like myself worked unsupported by Wargaming in any capacity. The predecessor to the NA-CC program was Club Wargaming which promised the world and delivered nothing but a booger-green title on the forums. Club Wargaming included dozens of content creators which had sprung up during Closed and Open Beta, including some big names like @PhlyDaily. All of us were paying out of pocket to produce content or having to rely on donations from fans to get access to the newest premium content. Critter8 took exception to this. He had made Ship Comrade -- a fan site whose best early features included tracking Rank Battle progress and had one of (if not THE) first Captain Skill calculator. He took his fandom seriously and wanted a professional relationship with Wargaming to facilitate content production. However, the larger map sizes makes this a lot more problematic. If you swapped out Florida's 25mm bow and stern for 26mm versions, she'd be a perfectly normal tier VII battleship. This isn't exactly welcome for such a slow brick with a big squishy snoot to boop. ET (ESPN). Mouse, while knowledgeable, is subject to her own personal biases, likes, preferences, just like the rest of us. But that requires changes well beyond the skill tree, because if we went back 4+ years - sure Germany would still be king of secondary builds with it's 15 cm guns, but French and even ships like Mass would terrorize DD's and cruisers pushing in to caps with secondaries only worried about not getting torped for sailing in a straight line than 152 mm raining death from behind an island - unless it was aiming at the superstructure. This picture is the best thing I could think ofto illustrate CA's introduction to WoWs. If you're trying to get from A to B as fast as possible, you're not going to want to touch your rudder. California has tier VI firepower with tier VII range. Florida played solid defense throughout the night, holding Georgia to 33.3 percent from the field and 18.2 percent from 3-point range (4-of-22) while recording 8 steals and 6 blocked shots. Heres how you can watch Mondays game: UNC-FLORIDA STATE TV, RADIO, AND STREAMING INFORMATION. Summary so far: California's concealment is meant to be her saving grace. When it comes to my battleships, I know what I like. The North Carolina Tar Heels (18-11, 10-8 ACC) and Florida State Seminoles (9-20, 7-11) tangle Monday in Tallahassee. Having a working knowledge of which ships you can still punish when they angle helps immeasurably, but Florida is very often forced to rely on either aiming for over-penetrations through superstructures or resorting to her HE rounds. Im gonna judge based on the review its probably a Mehbote. Mileage probably determined on if you want a premium USN BB for Narai or not. The 0.1 sigma difference is imperceptible in game play -- you couldn't tell the difference if you tried. The moneyline odds say Florida has a 62.3% chance of winning this game. Florida is 10-6 when scoring more than 69.3 points. She doesn't have improved heals like the British battleships. Most of her teeth come from her 40mm Bofors and 20mm Oerlikons, barring a CV being gracious enough to face-plant into a flak-cloud. These do not survive long under HE fire and even cursory smattering of HE rounds will quickly reduce the effectiveness of her AA and open her up to the potential of air-attack. WebCalifornia is more of a dry heat while Florida is more humid It's generally sunny more so in california than in florida. They are phoenixes that rose from the ashes of Pearl Harbor. Once you start shooting atbroadside targets? She doesn't get access to Aiming Systems Modification 1 to reduce her main battery gun dispersion. This is a booby prize in the current meta. February 28, 2023 11:24 am ET. The last piece of her squishy puzzle is her effective health pool. Florida's hit point pool is small for a tier VII battleship. Heck, it would be on the low end for a tier VI battleship. This isn't enough to damn her in of itself -- she's not so low that she's on Viribus Unitis levels of parody. But a smaller hit point pool means that she heals less penetrating damage with her Repair Party. While this has no impact on fire and flooding damage (as their damage amount scales with the starting hit points of the ship), 10,000 damage worth of penetrations hurts Florida more than other tier VII battleships. But there's more. Florida comes with one fewer charges of her Repair Party, so this deficit is felt even more.. Now, let me be clear: Arizona, the tier VI American premium, is awesome. HE pen on cruisers needs to be standardized beyond say national things like Germany having 1/4. They could have made California powerful. Very slow top speed of 20.5 knots and poor handling as a result despite her smaller turning circle radius. If you're struggling to see a difference in as clinical and sterile a trial as this, you have no hope of feeling the difference through normal game play. Whenever I use a BB for Narai, I prefer to go east of convoy so that I can catch MO broadside when it turns. She's boasting not only tier VIII AA firepower at tier VII but good tier VIII firepower at tier VII. USN could choose between type of plane, type of ordnance, etc. Florida's AA power is nice. Taken on it's own merits, her AA power is pretty fearsome when it comes to personal defence. In the support role, she's not bad either, with a sizable chunk of her AA power dedicated to long and medium range weapons. When her Defensive AA Fire is active, she can wipe out full tier VIII squadrons -- it's not contest here. A determined CV player will still be able to make a drop, but it will cost them everything. Over on the defensive end, the Panthers Everyone has their preferences but it's not bad. Improved penetration on her AP shells for their calibre. The only thing to watch out for is if one your DD/CL uses smoke and hide all other ships, MO will target you and you don't want that with Florida's armor. California's reach partially mitigates this, but only partially. I think in this regard the ship is somewhat worth it. I swear, she posts these right when I'm off to work now to give other people a chance to reply first :P. Take this review lightly. It's not high-velocity Soviet-good like Poltava's, though, nor does it have Duke of York's improved auto-ricochet angles (which shares the same penetration as KGV). This is the first meeting of the season between the two programs both coming off of big, emotional wins. You are usually not shot at by much due to how target selection of bots works, so Florida's armor won't be a big issue even with the short combat range in OPs. This screenshot makes me sad. Still, she's not far removed from Arizona -- like, the differences are barely perceptible. So California has good concealment! DD's need their stealth back, or they need survivability. If I were to purchase one, Florida would get my money for sure., Whilst I appreciate the very solid review you have provided for yet another ship, I am far more appreciative of your last few paragraphs on @Critter8and the rest of you folks. i feel like its an insult to the playerbase that WG expects people to actually spend about 50 bucks on this garbage, truly a waste of devs time and money but isnt that par for the course with WG nowadays? But so far CV's under the rework have mostly lacked that and are a farce. The net effect is that though California has a 20.5 knot top speed, she's usually flirting with much less -- as little as 15.3 knots at 4/4 engine settings. There's nothing too surprising about California's options. I'm getting a lot of mileage out of this graphic. This speaks a lot to how badly the skill system needs to be reworked given how optimized skill choices have become, That would be great - but they'd have to actually fix the gameplay and change some ships to actually get us to a point there isn't just one optimized loadout.. It's worth being said: Arizona over-performs at her tier. In terms of pricing, Legoland Florida is slightly cheaper than Legoland California. This ship isn't likely to sneak up on anyone, mostly because it's patently unable to catch up to anything that doesn't want to be caught. Tier VII battleship. Florida's fire angles are decent. They're not good -- good is a 300 fire arc or more, but she's not as appalling as some of the ships I've dealt with recently. I just wish her turret traverse was better. As good as California's lateral protection is, her big weak spot is her bow. Thus cutting through all of the crap, California's only significant change is her range increase over Arizona and she pays for this with truly appalling gun fire arcs. He approached me about my frustrations with Club Wargaming and he took an active leadership role among the various content creators to approach Wargaming about our complaints. It was by his initiative that the WGNA CC-program took shape under NikoPower (of CorgiFleet fame). From those conversations, @iChase, @NoZoupForYou, @Notser, @TitiuBlack, Critter8 and I became the first NA-CCs in early January of 2016. While I could gush endlessly about everything NikoPower did for us, it was Critter8 who stands out as the leader we needed. He brought the six of us would-be professionals (with integrity) together. The Florida at tier VII is based on the North Carolina-class of battleships as it was initially designed. After World War I, to stop the naval arms race that was raging between the different nations, multiple treaties were signed, including the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922 and the Second London Naval Treaty of 1936. Delaware: $2,137. This ship has been provided to me by Wargaming for evaluation purposes -- I did not have to pay for this thing, which is a good thing because I would have felt offended had I shelled out money for this horribly mistreated piece of history. It had a good run.. The first element is symptomatic of American battleships as a whole, especially the new line of American battleships that Florida heralds. At 33.5 seconds per volley, Florida's reload isn't as bad as some of the others in the new tech-tree, but let's not mince words: It sucks to wait that long between trigger pulls. I can stomach this if the results for waiting are particularly amusing, however Florida's gunnery is an exercise in frustration for me because of my second gripe: Florida's shell hits are not satisfying. Florida's shells, both AP and HE, don't hit especially hard. Their damage values are lower than you might expect for a 356mm weapon. In fact, Florida's damage output on her AP and HE shells is most closely matched by those off the sixteen-gun Lyon. Lyon has only a 30 second reload, I remind you, 3.5 seconds faster than Florida with a four-gun advantage. Compare: Her individual hits just aren't doing as much damage as other American battleships. While she still has better broadside weight than the ten-gun armed New York-class, she's well behind the other twelve-gun armed American standards despite having a better reload time than all of them. This deficit in shell damage (combined with her slower reload) means that in terms of raw damage potential, Florida falls way behind, ending up in the bottom half of the DPM charts despite her large number of guns. The sales tax in Florida is 6% whereas in California it is 7.25%. California, like most of her standard battleship relatives, features a 26mm bow, stern, and most of her deck. While at lower tiers this may be enough to deflect enemy fire, the normalization of the 406mm or higher guns at tier VIII and IX means that players will have to be careful in engagements against most higher tier battleships. In their past 10 matchups, the Panthers are 6-4-0 to earn 80.0% of the possible points. But her bow? Unlike my normal dispersion tests, as Arizona and California can't equip the dispersion reducing ASM1 upgrade, their fields look comparatively larger than ships of the same tier. The final difference is cost. However, she has enough problems already without considering CV strikes. Over on the defensive end, the Panthers Wargaming burned me once too often in World of Tanks. Horrible gun handling and appalling gun firing angles. Fair enough. You can also forget about successfully kiting or disengaging when things turn sour. Thank you for everything. And thank you all for reading. I'm going to take some time sorting and organizing some of my older reviews over the next week or so. Skill Floor: Simple / CASUAL / Challenging/ DifficultSkill Ceiling: Low / MODERATE / High / Extreme. She doesn't have a nigh-impervious citadel like Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. Her rotation rate of 4.1/s is again, pretty average. TALLAHASSEE Flexing his power over one of Floridas largest employers, Gov. So there you go! Florida has a better secondary battery than California, equivalent to most of the other American battleships (but obviously excluding Massachusetts & company cuz theirs are souped up). Wargaming will try and sell you this ship bragging that this reach is to California's advantage. California's protection scheme is decent for a tier VII battleship but it's nothing special either short of her anti-torpedo protection (which is good but not as amazing as the size of her bulges would suggest). I'd actually rather get California, because she's an extension of a ship type (US Standards) thatI have played a lot and really enjoy. Small hit point pool for a tier VII battleship. Another review done really well. Thanks for your hard work. LOCATION: Donald L. Tucker Center in Tallahassee, Florida. Thanks for your time on the review @LittleWhiteMouse. LOCATION: Donald L. Tucker Center in Tallahassee, Florida. Yet CDC data indicates that California's death rate is gaining ground on Florida, with seven-day average daily deaths at 1.4 per 100,000 residents, compared to California is a longer ranged Arizona with slightly improved damage output between better AP shells and a faster reload. I've sorted these ships by the formula I like to use (DPS x [range-1km]) to give a better, but not entirely accurate, impression of AA effectiveness -- the logic being that longer range AA is better than shorter range AA. TALLAHASSEE Flexing his power over one of Floridas largest employers, Gov. California can give you some reasonable games. ET. She can contribute. Same with cruisers - they didn't have to cower behind islands like now, they could fire and fade away. Florida wins this battle hands down. Ostensibly, California's range is supposed to help her here. California has better deck protection (California's deck behind her superstructure and around her X & Y turrets is 31mm thick. In World of Warships, Florida represents the design XVI-C if the North Carolina-class would have ever been built this way. She also presents the same battlecruiser characteristics as Champagne and Slava with an improved dispersion but lighter armor than other battleships at her tier. experience with Arizona down at tier VI. Were it not for her horribly slow speed, I'd have given her a 'simple' rating. She has excellent AA firepower. The issue, though, is that they're not improved enough over the tier VI premium's to be worthwhile. Based on our research, heres the ranking of states where average annual car insurance rates are the most expensive: Florida: $2,560. So you can largely forget about getting anywhere fast. As nice as the raw penetration values are on Florida, she doesn't have a lot to spare once you aim at battleships in excess of 15km out. Using the usual tricks of aiming for softer sections of the hull can help, especially given Florida's reasonably tight dispersion to ensure good groupings. This helps somewhat, but again, angling is very effective against Florida's guns because she doesn't overmatch a whole lot of armour. against a destroyer at stupid-close ranges. But against any other target, her HE is just found wanting. I think the real unfortunate detriment here is that it makes California more vulnerable to torpedoes. They are held in all 50 states and all Canadian provinces. UNC heads to Tallahassee to face Florida State (9-20, 7-11) on Monday (7 p.m., ESPN) in the final road game of the regular season. And I mean that in the same way I tell my significant other that "it's fine" when things are clearly not. It's all of the little things which add up to a bad experience for me. 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